the liberal values in boston. i mean, these are silly things to say. but one thing you can say about santorum is that he is an extremist but someone who is a mainstream extremist, he is someone who comes out of the congress and has a base of knowledge, he also really lks his walk. she an honorable man who sometimes saysishonorable things, but the biggest point to be madabout this, about this caucus is that four years ago the republicans were completely demoralized by george w. bush. and about 120,000 peopl turned out. now, four years later, they are all excited and ramped up to run against barack obama, who is the anti-christ, and 120,000 people show up. they don't like this field. and of that 120,000, i would venture to say it was probably fewer republicans than last time, because ron paul brought in a lot of independents. >> rose: mark, is it going to be either santorum or mitt romney now? >> one of those two is going to be the nominee of the republican party? >> no. i think -- i don't count on newt gingrich of